Phrygian Q'yth-az
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Post by Phrygian Q'yth-az on Nov 30, 2014 3:48:45 GMT
Item/Object: Ultra-Light Armor Inventory
Designation or name: "ESRA" for "Explosive Shinsoo Reactive Armor"
Nature or Origin/History: Created by a Teacher in the Workshop for a Ranker who wanted extra defense against a Wave Controller's attacks. The Ranker was killed when he equipped the armor backwards. Less powerful ESRA was released in the shops for brave Regulars to use.
Ignites (Yes or No): No
Abilities (Optional if No, Required if Yes): ESRA's wearer 'charges' it with anything from 1 to 10 baangs. This Shinsoo is committed to powering the armor, and cannot be used for other purposes. When the wearer is struck by a Shinsoo based attack, ESRA releases its Shinsoo charges to repel the attack. It is only effective if the baangs committed to defense equal or exceed that of the attack, and is ineffective against physical attacks, such as needles or spears. Also keep in mind Newton's 3rd Law - even though ESRA can nullify a deadly attack, the force spent to do so will still send its wearer flying in the opposite direction.
Rank: D; Higher ranked ESRA, capable of storing more charges, is available only for those the Workshop deem "worthy."
Location (Floor#, Store, Character, etc): D rank store
Suggested Price, Test, Scenario to get it (Optional): xxx credits, or confront the Workshop
Appearance: ESRA is comprised of a set of floating, interconnected suspendium rings, worn around the shoulders, neck, and body. It lights up when charged. Because it is made of suspendium and uses its wearer's Shinsoo to function, ESRA weighs next to nothing.
Picture/Image: MS Paint WIP!
Disclaimer: The Workshop claims no responsibility for injuries as a result of the use of ESRA, whether by implosion failure, spontaneous detonation of charges, or failure to detonate.
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Post by Lumière on Nov 30, 2014 13:29:35 GMT
Very interesting armor. So it is a Armor Inventory, not just armor right? A Heavy one too or medium at least. I would guess. I don't think there will be a B-Rank store. Also. I am curious what do you think could be the reaction to someone who can perform reverse shinsoo control (Like Baam) If he uses his attack on it, it would reverse the shinsoo flow and make it implode right? (And I don't mean Floral Butterfly: Piercing Technique. That on itself makes explode things.) Of course almost nobody can do that, but it's just a way I can think a great Wave Controller could counter that armor.
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Post by Bastien on Nov 30, 2014 13:58:33 GMT
Well actually. in my opinion the effectiveness of this armor is greatly reduced on higher floors. It's a really cool item but i find that it would be easily overpowered, 10 baangs isn't a lot for higher ranked regulars or a ranker and the easiest way to counter the armor would be to simply overpower it, granted it may not be as creative as what Lumiere would thing.
I believe even slightly lower ranked regulars would be able to overload the system if they manage to trade in shinsoo density for a larger amount of baangs. And it's an extremely double edged sword seeing as you simply become a meat shield. Not to mention i find it weird that you still suffer from the impact force because you said you nullify the force.
I'm also confused about how it works, does it simply repel wave attacks with an equally strong wave? Or does it absorb the impact(somehow) and release an offensive wave towards the attacker.
I also think you've got the ignition process a bit messed up, it's basically a boost to the existing item, so how does it work without ignition? Seeing as you've made ignition look... kind of compulsory to use it.
Furthermore I think you should lower it's rank down to C, for aforementioned reasons, or change some stats to make it more B rank worthy.
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Phrygian Q'yth-az
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Post by Phrygian Q'yth-az on Dec 2, 2014 2:13:39 GMT
After reading up a bit on flow and reverse flow and whatnot I'd have to say: it doesn't nullify reverse flow, since reverse flow uses the target's shinsoo against them. It wouldn't be a weakness either though, since ESRA is designed to explode, and it would be harder to make it implode, unless you're skilled enough to make someone implode anyway. Yes, its meant to be an armor inventory, its a set of suspendium rings you wear (however that ends up working, I don't know) I don't imagine a Scout wearing one, unless they were duel classing Scout-Fisherman and going Wave Controller hunting. The bit about Newton's 3rd Law is a balance mechanic - otherwise players will simply ignore every enemy baang and attack. If the wearer is knocked backwards while nullifying the attack, the Wave Controller has a fighting chance still. It's possible higher ranked ESRA can reduce the effect. As for the rank of B and limit of 10 baangs, I think it's okay. According to the ToG wiki, High Rankers average 30~50 baangs. A normal Ranker would probably average 15~20, because of the huge gap. My logic was that a skilled B-rank Regular could manage 10 baangs. We should talk more and set the averages for the future. In the end, its just a number, so its easily changed. And again, if a Ranker or High Ranker want better ESRA, they can ask the workshop. As for ignition, the item is inert without it. When ESRA is not ignited, its just some suspendium, and has no effect on needles, spears, etc. The ignition process releases an explosion, sort of like what the Black March did. And as a parting note, ESRA does not make you invulnerable to Shinsoo flow attacks! It's meant to block a stray Baang you failed to dodge, a sneak attack you didn't see coming, protect a teammate or objective that can't dodge, or, if you're a total badass, power straight through a weaker attack. If you think ESRA will protect you from 10 baangs amplified by a Lighthouse, you're dead wrong. Literally. And a final final clarification (christ this is a long post) ESRA sends out a wave to counter an offensive wave. It's not meant to be used in any offensive fashion, but I suppose if you give someone a bear hug and activate it...
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Post by Ouro on Dec 2, 2014 13:31:02 GMT
Hi, to approve the Armor Inventory you must make the following amendments:
Add an image. (I know it's a WIP)
No ignition. There is no need for it to be an ignition weapon to use Shinsoo. Also, ignition weapons have a human 'soul' as a base. And they free a large amount of shinsoo/power when ignited. Some, like Green April, increase their size. So the idea of using your own 10 bangs of sinshoo to power it and ignite with those 10 bangs, makes little sense. And it would ignite to become at least a high A-Rank. That's to much.
I would lower it's rank to D (or C if you improve it's mechanism) due to it's power and usefulness. Any Ranker on the B-ranks could manage to defend himself from 10 bangs in many other ways but using his own 10 bangs. In fact, to sustain 10 bangs at every moment is very conflicting. We see a Ranker (Quant) doing that with 1 bang, but it's a different things to use 10 at every moment. Unless you only use it in battle, but... it's really not such a great armor if you need to power it. i.e. Any B-Rank Armor Inventory could probably protect you from many bangs and hits from your enemies without using bangs to power it at all.
If you want to keep it's Rank. you should probably drop the 10 bangs requirement, and make it bigger and lighter, change it's shape and make it more protective. Or change the mechanism to make it more powerful. Remember a B-Rank weapon is at a Ranker level.
If you want it on stores, then it should be a D,E,F-Rank. To Open a Ranker-level store, We need to get more info on the Workshop.
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Phrygian Q'yth-az
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Post by Phrygian Q'yth-az on Dec 3, 2014 2:51:55 GMT
ESRA armor changelog: - Rank changed from "B" to "D"
- Item type changed from "Armor" to "Ultra-Light Armor Inventory"
- Ignition removed
As a bit of clarification, 10 baangs is the maximum limit you can put into it, the minimum is only 1 baang. So this should be okay once I get the pic up?
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Post by Ouro on Dec 3, 2014 3:36:03 GMT
Yes that's good. I still need to give some thinking about how to sell it.
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